Thoroughbred 3's 9-28-06 Weekly Thread: Get lucky?

By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-09-28 1:53 PM Edited 2006-09-28 2:13 PM

Cap'n Ron's random thoughts and demented views..

In answer to the running question:
I think about a combination of things when running. I constantly monitor my form and other running factors, but also find myself solving personal issues, and thinking about other things, too. I've come up with some great ideas on runs, but in true form unfortunately forget most of them by the time I get home : pbbt:

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Non-Running question:
As for moolah and prizes, I've been very fortunatel to win cash prizes while drag racing and doing other job-related stuff, but the following two were my faves, because they were so much fun (and torture :laugh:

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I made the runner up table at a Tropicana blackjack tournament in Vegas, in route to my Hawaii honeymoon. Got to keep my table winnings, a cash award from the casino in a velvet pouch, and a large silver chalice-like cup with "Tropicana Blackjack Tournament" on it (looking at both as I type). I was only one hand from the final, but still won enough money to pay for our entire honeymoon. That night, we went to a Beach Boy concert at Ceasar's Palace, and celebrated with my SIL/BIL (who live in Vegas). Great memories :cool:

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When we lived in Tampa, I also won $2000 from a oldie's radio station once. They played just 1 note of a song, and offered $500 to anyone who could name both the song and artist. It was a tough song, but I knew both answers. I couldn't get through on their busy phone line, which fried my cookies :mutmad:

. After taking 10 incorrect calls, they DOUBLED the prize to $1000, took at least 20 more incorrect calls, and finally doubled it to $2000, and I STILL couldn't get through :cry:

. Then they gave a CLUE which REALLY drove me nuts because I was sure someone would beat me to the punch. FINALLY, I got through and shortly was at the station to pick up a $2000 check :cool:

. The clue was "the longest title for a top 100 rock 'n roll oldie". Anyone have a guess to the song and artist?

Der Capicontest

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By RBrauerei [us]

Date 2006-09-28 4:10 PM

The Vegas win is definately way cool capiluckytano! :cool:

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By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-09-28 9:31 PM

Thanks Rick, it's a great memory!

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By Smithers78 [us]

Date 2006-09-28 5:33 PM

Ron, will can I drag you along to my next trip to Vegas as my lucky charm? I'm terrible with luck and it sounds like you have more than enough to go around, so what do you say? :grin:

By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-09-28 9:34 PM

Ha, I doubt that I could help you in the luck department. I used to work very hard at playing BJ well; it paid off on that trip. But in general, lucky I'm not. I used to really enjoy Vegas when the mob ran it, now that the corporations rule the roost it's pretty much gone to hell :laugh:

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By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:58 AM

The clue was "the longest title for a top 100 rock 'n roll oldie". Anyone have a guess to the song and artist?

Was this an "oldie" when you were young? That would make it something like from an opera, right? :laugh:

Just kidding.

- Steve

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 7:12 AM

That's funny. I was thinking the same thing. Which era? : pbbt:

My guess is the teeny-weeny, itsy-bitsy yellow polka dot bikini song, but I'm not sure the song is ummm old enough. :laugh:

By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-09-29 7:52 AM

The One-Eyed One-Horned Something Purple People Eater?

By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-09-29 8:31 AM Edited 2006-09-29 9:00 AM

"Was this an "oldie" when you were young? That would make it something like from an opera, right?"
No, since I'm older than dirt, it would have to be something before opera was "invented" :laugh:

Nope, it wasn't the purple people eater, or yellow polka dot bikini songs (both good guesses btw :happy:

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The song was "The Anaheim, Azusa and Cucamonga Sewing Circle, Book Review and Timing Association" by Jan and Dean. It was released on the B-side of "Ride the Wild Surf" in 1964 and hit #50 on the charts. The song's about a bunch of little old lady hot rodders (one of 2 "little old lady" themed car songs they did, the other was "Little Old Lady From Pasedena") :

"They tool around town in their big Gran Prix's, sittin' in their bucket seats, shootin' the breeze.
You know that all week long they put up jam and preserves, but on the weekend they negotiate curves"

If all this trivia hasn't been torture enough for you, here's a link to a sound clip: http://www.amazon.com/Anthology-Album-Jan-Dean/dp/B000002R15 :laugh:

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By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-09-28 2:37 PM

RR: I actually try not to think about anything while running but running, unless it's a long run where I'm trudging along. I think it really helps, especially in race situations.

NRR: Not much luck. I won a generic palm sander once at a company picnic raffle. It wasn't a nice one, so I ended up giving it away when I moved out of California. They had raffles at almost every mountain bike race (it kept people around,) for really nice stuff--suspension forks, entire bikes, etc., but I never won anything at those. I did win a nice set of pedals once for winning a race though. If I'm in Vegas (or now I guess Atlantic City is more likely,) I don't gamble except for penny/nickel slots to pass the time. Somehow, I just find gambling really boring, which is good, I guess.

I am midweek through week #1 of my two-week taper. Projected mileage is 65 (I don't like drastic tapers,) with a 5k on Saturday. Yesterday I did 10 miles with 3X12 minutes hard (about marathon effort,) which was pretty confidence-inspiring. The day before that was a 16-mile day. From now on in it's all coasting and resting. :grin:

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-28 7:47 PM

I wanna be like you when I grow up. Huge base and then can just (seemingly) casually jump into a mararthon. I can't wait to see how it goes since it seems like all systems are GO! Also it gives me something to look forward to just a week after mine.

By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:17 AM

Heh, it's the "seemingly" part we'll have to see about... :roll:

Did you read the latest issue of RT? It has an article about this whole reverse-periodization thing--training for shorter distances at the beginning of the phase, then only shifting to marathon-specific training during the last few weeks. Hey, it worked for Frank Shorter.

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 7:17 AM

I did read that and thought it was very interesting. I've wondered about that because it seems like for me adding in the more miles necessary for the marathon on top of the speedwork was pushing me to the injury edge. I've never done 5k or 10k specific training and was tempted to do that after the marathon. I'll have to go read the article again.

By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-09-29 8:01 AM

This is also the method the Hanson Plan follows. The Hansons have you doing "Speed" sessions at the beginning, typically at 5k-10k pace, then transitioning to "Strength" sessions near the end, slightly below marathon pace.

Up until two weeks ago, I figured I would try to do my own loose interpretation of this to train for a half-marathon PR attempt, but never transitioning from "Speed" to "Strength." All summer I've been doing stuff like 3X8 minutes at 10k effort, or 6x400 at sub 5k pace, or 12x200 at sub 5k pace.

When I suddenly and impulsively decided to run the full, I decided to do the Speed-->Strength transition. So for the past 3 weeks, I've been doing workouts like the 3x12 minutes at marathon effort (everything for me is perceived effort, not pace or heartrate,) and "progression runs," where I do something like 7 miles easy, then close the last 5 at marathon effort.

And still no long runs. The longest run was 18 last week, with a zillion 16s and 17s in the preceding weeks. Also, there were a quite a few 16-19 mile days done in doubles.

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:55 AM

Generally, I don't like big tapers, either. Though I am doing one for this race. Mostly because I didn't have the real big mile weeks I was hoping to have as build up.

Enjoy the coasting and resting. Don't drink too much of that Golden Monkey stuff.

- Steve

By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-09-29 7:01 AM

Oh, with the alcohol content of Gold Monkey, I can't drink much of it anyway--I'd end up on the floor.

I guess that's one of the things I like about these dubbels, tripels, quadrupels, and barleywines. You just can't drink very many, and you have to do so very slowly.

I think I am going to start calling my 2-year-old nephew "Gold Monkey" from now on.

By RBrauerei [us]

Date 2006-09-28 4:21 PM

I have more to say about the topics of the week than I do about my running; so, I'll start with those...

RR: Definately a combo. In fact, even during a short run it can be both life and running. It depends upon my mood, what's going on in life, whether I'm seriously training for a goal race. Lately it's been more about what's going on in my life... Although sometimes it's just enjoying the scenary, the purple flowers, the squirrel running up a tree etc.

NRR: I've won a lot of cash in small amounts over the years; also won some airline tickets at an airshow. Cash has been through lottery, drawings at the Officer's Club (in the old days when going to the Club was a big deal), and through gambling at casinos. Nothing as exciting as Ron's blackjack smackdown, but I did win 4 million playing roulette once... 4 million Polish zlotys! :laugh:

I was in Krakow shortly after the end of communism and they had opened a casino in the hotel at which I was staying. I enjoy playing roulette (especially in Europe...makes me feel like James Bond :wink:

) and after dinner hit the tables. I play a lot of numbers, but almost always play 9 'cause it's our wedding anniversary. Well, it hit and the payout was 4 million zlotys; about $200 bucks at the time. But when I called my wife that night and she asked what I'd been up to and said I just won 4 million at the casino :shocker!:

, for about 10 seconds she was very very happy. :laugh:

Not as excited when I told her it was Polish zlotys. :sad:

Today that would actually be about 1 million dollars though given current rate of exchange. It will come as no surprise that I spent that $200 bucks drinking beer over the next week in Poland. :wink:

Current running: Well after last week's surprise 29 miles, I dropped way down to 8 miles. But... Both of those 4 mile runs were excellent. Glimmers of my former self; a faster pace and even some strides for the last 100m's. Alas, one of those strides has given me calf pain...over did it I guess. But I'm not out of this game yet...

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By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-28 7:50 PM

Pure evil. :evil:

4 Million, honey. Oh and did I forget to mention they are Zlotys? Evil. :laugh:

Hope that calf is feeling better!

By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-09-28 9:36 PM

That 4 million Polish zlotys story's a great one, Rick, you're lucky your wife didn't knock you out over that one :laugh:

. Reminds me of those gags I've seen on TV, where they tell someone they've won the lottery, and then tell them it was just a joke :mutmad:

. If looks could kill :laugh:

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By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:52 AM

Although sometimes it's just enjoying the scenary, the purple flowers, the squirrel running up a tree etc.

It's when you start seeing purple squirrels that you might want to worry. :laugh:

- Steve

By RBrauerei [us]

Date 2006-09-29 12:57 PM

Good point...

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By Smithers78 [us]

Date 2006-09-28 5:44 PM

RR: I think I'm a combination of Rick and Brian. I find that when I zone out and think about nothing, I come out of my little trance and realize that I'm running smooth and easy. This is they type of zen-like running I aim to master. However, there are other times when it just really depends on my mood. Sometimes I rely on music to get me through so I'm always focusing on the song my ipod is playing. Other times, I'm thinking about work or personal issues I'm struggling with. SO, I guess it just depends.

NRR: I wish I had the luck that Rick and the Cap'n have. The only thing I can remember winning is a nintendo when I was a little kid. The original one--non of that super nintendo stuff. They were so popular that my parents made me give it to my older brother who was in the military (I already had one). If you remember, that was during the time where you couldn't get them. People were paying over $500 on the streets for them. Sure, that doesn't seem like a lot then, but in 1987-88 it was. Besides that, I've had some luck with craps in Vegas, but I always get greedy and lose it somewhere else. The only place where I do think I'm luck is at work. I'm in sales and seem to always find a way to be in the right place at the right time when that ginormous sale comes through. IMHO, that's the best luck you can have, so I'll settle with not winning things in games and such.

To my running: you may have noticed that I've been very quiet this week. That's because I've been dealing with this achilles thing that popped up last saturday, literally popped up. I haven't run since then. I haven't said much or anything about it really because I was hoping I could be patient, deal with it with lots of ice and ibuprofen and all would be well. All in all, though, this week has been a big mental challenge for me: trusting that my training has been fruitful and that I've done all of the things right up until now. I'm almost done with day 5 of no running; the achilles seems to be almost healed. There is still a little knot there, but the swelling is down 100% and today was the first day that I walked completely with no pain at all. In fact, I even ran after my fat dog earlier not thinking and it didn't hurt. I'm still going to wait until Sunday or Monday before resuming and then begin taper. I hope I've done all that I have needed and don't lose too much fitness. It's clear now my goal is to finish the race and get out with my BQ. Maybe the sub-3 will come at Rocket City. Who knows? I just hope this achilles thing is almost done and I will actually be able to race after all. It's just been tough to sit and not run, knowing that the last real week of my training just went down the tube.

-Chris

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-28 8:04 PM

Smart Chris. :happy:

You can do a lot of damage to the AT trying to run through something like that. My brother in law has chronic AT problems (soccer player who plays on 3 different leagues year round) and has told me to do cross-friction massage on that area when I've had any problems. The achilles runs from heel up so basically you go in sideways with your thumb and dig cross-ways to break up scar tissue (a good massage therapist will do the same thing but even more so...hurts like well you can guess). If you aren't receiving any treatment for it on your own, you might want to try it. Obviously, if it hurts too much, back off. Regardless, ice is your friend.

By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-09-28 9:24 PM

"I wish I had the luck that Rick and the Cap'n have."
Ha, don't mistake luck in a few things as indicating luck in general. Cap'n has been a very unlucky boy in many ways, especially in the past year.

Be very careful with that AT, they are very very hard to get rid of sometimes. It feels a little better, you push, and it comes back stronger than ever; a vicious cycle. Been there, suffered that. You just have to bite the bullet and make sure you allow adequate time for it to really heal, not just heal on the "surface". Easier said than done, but achilles problems are a real pain (bad pun intended). Take care!

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By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:20 AM

Hey, if you run Rocket City, you can meet Debbie and scout out the course and location for the rest of us in '07.

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:50 AM

Chris -

I'll echo the others, take care of the AT. It's tough to sit down, but you're not going to lose any real fitness after all the work you've done. And, you know, it's much more enjoyable to be running pain-free.

- Steve

By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-09-28 5:55 PM

Hey all:

Just over 3 weeks to Chicago. Looking forward to the taper which starts next week. :cool:

Good luck to PT and Smurf this weekend! Hopefully you'll have great weather for it! I feel a BQ coming and another T3'r joining the FE!

RR: I usually don't think about much especially if I have my MP3 player on (which is usally on for runs of 90 minutes or more). I just listen to the music. For shorter runs I may think about work or what I have to get done that day, week etc.

For intervals, LT workouts etc. I'm just usually concentrating on running and not much else.

NRR: Not much luck here. I've won a few raffles here and there. I won a brand new Taylor Made Driver at a raffle at a Golf Tournament last year which was cool.

I wish I was my cousin (and best man) He won $1 million dollars in a lottery last year :shocker!:

Lucky Bastard :laugh:

Below is my half marathon report for last Sunday's race that I posted on RT but I've re-printed for your convenience.

Cheers and Have a Great Week!

Frank

I ran the Toronto Waterfront Half Marathon yesterday as a tune-up for the Chicago Marathon four weeks from now. According to McMillan's online calculator, a sub 1:25 half would equate to a 2:59 full marathon time. So I decided to shoot for that time. That time works out to about 4:00/km or 6:25/mile pace which is about the pace I've been running all of my LT runs. So I knew I'd be able to run about 10 miles at this pace having run it in training. The question was could I keep it up for another 3.1 miles?

The course is a flat and fast one but I awoke in the morning with stiff westerly winds in the 20 to 30 mph range. I ran it last year so I knew what to expect. The first 12 km headed west and then came back east for the next 8 km before heading north and west for the last km. So my plan was to try and run 4 minute km's into the wind until the turn around at the 12km mark and then see what I had left in the tank with a tailwind.

Here are my splits:

1. 4:11
2. missed
3. 7:44
4. 3:55
5. 4:04
6. 4:00
7. 4:02
8. 3:55
9. 4:06
10. 3:55
11. 4:10
12. 3:47

12.2 split 48:53 (4:00/km pace).

At this point I'm right on pace so I'm feeling pretty good about my chances especially since I'm done with that awful headwind. So I try to keep running at the same pace and effort.

13. 3:55
14. 3:55
15. 3:52
16. 3:50
17. 3:59

As you can see, I'm running faster than plan. As I was hitting each marker and looking at my times, I was actually trying to slow down but couldn't seem to do it. My guess is the tailwind helped a lot. I was probably running the equivalent of a 4:00/km effort with no tailwind. So I decided to keep going with the flow for as long as I could.

18. 3:48
19. 3:59

In the back of my head (I mean way in the back of my head) before I even started, I figured if everything went absolutely perfect, I may have had a shot at a sub 1:23 time and a NYC marathon qualifier. But when I felt the headwind for the first 12km, I figured I'd just be lucky to run sub 1:25. But the km's were starting to go pretty fast right now so I started to think about sub 1:23 again. At this point in the race, I'm not sure where I am in relation to that goal but I figure I'm close so I decide to push hard for the last 2km.

20. 3:41
21.1 4:07 (3:45/km pace)

Final Time 1:23:09 Gun; 1:22:56 Chip
Overall Place 45th out of 4,457 Finishers
Gender 39th out of 2,013 Men
Age Group 14th out of 382 Men 35-39
Splits 1st 12.2K - 48:53; 4:00/km avg. pace
2nd 8.9K - 34:17; 3:51/km avg. pace

I've never run a half-marathon full out before yesterday. The fastest half I ran prior to this race was this past February when I tried to run one at MP and came in at 1:35:49. So I guess this technically is a 12:53 PR which is nice. But getting that NYC qualifier is even sweeter since there's no way I'll ever run a 2:50 marathon!

So now I'm starting to feel good about my sub-3 attempt four weeks from now. I think I may have tweaked a hamstring during the run and I am a little sore so I want to make sure I get to the starting line healthy. This week is going to be easy miles with a 15 mile MP run scheduled for Saturday before I start tapering next week.

Have a good week everyone!

Frank

By RBrauerei [us]

Date 2006-09-28 6:05 PM

Most excellent half Frank; well done! Great confidence builder for the BQ.

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By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-09-28 7:35 PM

Thanks Rick!

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-28 7:12 PM

Guilty of looking up your results on Sunday evening and giving you a cheer. :blush:

Fantastic and I'm sure you are feeling great about Chicago now! Smart to take it easy on that hamstring too.

Those cute little kilometers are so handy for watching pace. ARe you sure you are going to adjust to those long miles at Chicago? : pbbt:

By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-09-28 7:40 PM

Ah yes, the little sneakster checking results beforehand. :evil:

No worries, I wonder what I'll be doing this Sunday afternoon hmmm :roll:

Cute little km's - funny but true. How am I going to handle those big bad miles in Chicago :shocker!:

I'm actually going to switch my Forerunner to miles this weekend for my MP run. Just so I can get a feel for what it's like to run miles vs. km's. If I go into km withdrawal, I'll let you know.. :grin:

Good luck again on Sunday! I know you'll do great :cool:

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-28 7:54 PM

Did you hear my cheer for you? I had to go plug it into mcmillan too since I wasn't sure what you are aiming for. Mcmillan told me all I needed to know. :cool:

I have done a 5k that was marked with kilometers. It would've been helpful to know that it was going to be marked in km beforehand so it took me umm...some time...umm...maybe a km or two :blush:

to figure out what my pace should be. It was very handy having the seemingly quick pace checks, but I swear the race seemed longer. :wtf:

By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-09-28 8:08 PM

On my forerunner I have the auto lap come on every half km so I get feedback on my pace before the next km. I may have it come on every quarter mile in Chicago but that may be too much info. We'll see..

By RBrauerei [us]

Date 2006-09-29 12:58 PM

I wonder what I'll be doing this Sunday afternoon

Yea, we'll all be checking up on our sneaky little Puddles... :wink:

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By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 1:24 PM

This is when it would be handy to have a name like Jennifer. :roll:

By Speedy Smurf [nl]

Date 2006-09-29 2:06 PM

Why haven't you left work yet? It isn't like you are getting anything done anyway. You are sitting there bouncing in your chair staring at the clock. :laugh:

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By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 2:07 PM

I'm hourly and our receptionist is gone today. I'm way too cheerful to be a receptionist today! :shocker!:

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 2:17 PM

Someone just asked me "Why are so happy?" :shocker!:

By Speedy Smurf [nl]

Date 2006-09-29 2:33 PM

My wife is at the expo with a group of her girlfriends today. I wanted to go so badly, but I felt the "responsible" side of me take over knowing that I had to be at work getting some stuff done. :mutmad:

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By RBrauerei [us]

Date 2006-09-29 2:07 PM

Stop rolling those eyes! :hug:

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By Speedy Smurf [nl]

Date 2006-09-29 2:12 PM

Here is a link to help you spy on Sunday.

http://www.wigglewireless.com/campaign.asp?cam=60

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By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 2:14 PM

Evil.

By Speedy Smurf [nl]

Date 2006-09-29 2:19 PM

I even have your bib number memorized so I can track you when I get done. Oh wait, I don't have a cellphone. :laugh:

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By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 2:24 PM

Aha! Is it crazy at the finish finding people? Hubby will be looking for me and I'll be wearing bright, bright clothes but then where do you meet?

By Speedy Smurf [nl]

Date 2006-09-29 2:32 PM

There is about a three block finishing area that only finishers are allowed into. There is more food than you will ever see. Cookies, ice cream bars, yogurt, fruit, bagels, you name it. After you file out of there, then you can meet up with your well wishers. It would be a good idea to have a predetermined corner or landmark picked out so you can find your husband. It gets pretty clogged up at the exit to the finisher's area with everyone looking for their runner.

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By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 2:44 PM

And I assume that once you leave the finisher's area, you can't go back in?

I've carefully not asked, but now I wanna see you dance around. :mischief:

If one's husband was waiting around at the finish anyway, it'd be nice for him to have someone else to root for you know...

By Speedy Smurf [nl]

Date 2006-09-29 2:54 PM

Correct you are. And I will do my best to see you finish. It depends on how forceful the volunteers are being. Sometimes you can hang out right at the finish line, other times they tell you to keep moving until you get to the exit. In case we miss each other Sunday morning what is your "everything went perfect and I surprised even myself" goal finish time. I want to make sure I am watching for you at the right time.

I'll be the guy in the stylish silver garment at the end if you are looking for me. :laugh:

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By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 2:58 PM

I have no idea how my body is going to react since 26 is a whole new distance for me. How's that? Tap, tap, spin, tap.

By Speedy Smurf [nl]

Date 2006-09-29 3:12 PM

Nice tag line :blush:

OK, I'll just turn around as soon as I cross the finish line and wait. They can all go around me!! I'll just tell them I am waiting for Puddles and I don't have a phone to track her on Wiggle.

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By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 3:30 PM

I was wondering if you'd notice. You'd get along well with my husband. He can quote many movies (but The Simpsons is his specialty). My brain does not work that way.

I am honestly not sure. See that whole doubt thing keeps creeping in. I just sent the wiggle link to hubby and added you and my friend to my phone (which my husband will be holding). So if you can spot my hubby hanging around, you can check too. He'll be there Sunday am before the start.

By RBrauerei [us]

Date 2006-09-29 2:14 PM

wiggle wireless? :laugh:

Oh, that's priceless... We'll track Puddles on wiggles! : pbbt:

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By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-09-28 9:26 PM

Nicely done, Frank, you are lined up to hammer Chicago! I love that race, and the town too. Don't forget to eat some genuine Chicago deep dish pizza (yummmmm), and knock down some good draft suds : pbbt:

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By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-09-29 5:59 AM

Thanks Ron! Is consuming deep dish pizza considered carb loading? :wtf:

I may have to wait until after the race to partake in some 'za (as we like to call it) but i won't have much time. My flight leaves O'Hare Sunday night at 6pm :shocker!:

By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-09-29 2:20 PM

Yeah baby, carbo loading and every other kinda loading you can think of! Just plain 'ol damn good :cool:

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By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:22 AM

Frank, after running a 1:22 half, a sub-3 will be a piece of cake.

By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-09-29 7:52 AM

Thanks HC but it was only 1:23 : pbbt:

By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-09-29 8:03 AM

Okay, after running a 1:23, sub-3 will STILL be a piece of cake. The 6:50s are going to feel like a warmup jog by comparison.

By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-09-29 8:06 AM

I hope you're right dude, I hope you're right... :happy:

By Speedy Smurf [nl]

Date 2006-09-29 9:27 AM

Awesome performance Frank!! Sub 3 is easily in the bag as long as you take it easy in the first half. Going into my sub 3, my 1/2 PR was only 1:28, so with a 1:23 in the bag, you should be able to coast to the sub 3. :cool:

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By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-09-29 12:51 PM

Thanks Speedy!

I now have a question for you, Brian, Steve and anyone else who's run a sub 3 time.

I was planning on going out at around 1:28 pace for the first half and then trying to run a 1:28 to 1:30 second half so that I'm well within my time goal. But a couple of forumites (i.e. jwd113) want to run a little faster (around a 1:27 1st half) so that they can run a 2:55 time. I'd be happy with a number anywhere between 2:58 to 3:00 but I absolutely love running with a group. It makes the miles fly by. And those online calculators say I can run a time in the 2:54 to 2:55 range based on last weekend's half time. What should I do?

Do I run conservatively and on my own or do I run with the group and most likely run a faster 1st half but increase the risk of a blowup in the 2nd. What would you do? :wtf:

Frank

By Speedy Smurf [nl]

Date 2006-09-29 1:01 PM

You have to run your own race. If you are not comfortable either physically or mentally the first half, it could spell disaster the second half. If I were you, I would do what I had been mentally preparing for all along so that you don't have to deal with the nagging feeling that you might be going too fast the first half. There will be plenty of people running your pace with your same goal, so you shouldn't have any problems finding a group to run with throughout the race. Also, I do not put a whole lot of stock into the calculators as I ran a 10K three weeks before last fall's marathon that had me pegged for something like a 2:45. I ended up going for it and blowing up. I staggered in at 3:12 after not even being able to mantain 8:15 pace the last 10K to get a BQ.

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By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-09-29 1:05 PM

Personally, I would run with jwd in 1:27. Yes, going out 1-2 minutes faster could possibly take its toll in the second half, BUT it also might help you instead, in that you'd be able to run with/behind people, which saves energy. It is hard to say, but 1-2 minutes is a small enough difference (I mean, we're not talking 10 minutes!) that if it were me, I'd just go ahead and run with them. Also, as the calculators indicated, you're probably in 2:54-2:55 condition anyway, so it might actually be the correct pace.

But like Raille said, the MOST important thing is to run your own race. If starting with those guys feels too fast, then don't do it. You'll know pretty quickly.

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 1:39 PM

How's that for advice? :laugh:

Hard call, Frank and I'm glad I don't have to make the choice.

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-09-29 1:53 PM

As Crabby said, you're not talking that big a difference in how the group is planning the first half and how you are. If it were me, going for my first sub-3, I'd probably sit at the back of that group and see how it goes. With any group, there's going to be flux. Some are going to feel good and push the pace - you want to stay away from them in the beginning. Some are going to feel poorly and drop off the back - you definitely want to stay away from them. I'm a pretty antisocial runner, but I can run in a group and not "participate" with any leading chores. Though, if it is windy, I'll put in a minimum amount of time at the front (in the second half of the race when a bunch have dropped off). If it's a good group, there will be a couple of people capable of nailing the miles at the proper pace so you don't have to concentrate too much on that. You'll just have to pay attention at the beginning and make sure it's not going out at 1:25 half marathon pace.

- Steve

By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-09-29 2:12 PM

jwd113 has already agreed to act as my drafter should I decide to run in the group. So if I can stay at the back of the pack and not worry about pace, wind etc. I'd much rather do that than run on my own. Although as Raille said, I'm sure I could find others to run with who are slightly slower.

Decisions, decisions :cry:

By Speedy Smurf [nl]

Date 2006-09-29 2:18 PM

Frank, sorry if I came across in the first post sounding like you should not even think about running with jwd113 and that group. All I was trying to stress was that you need to be true to your own race that you have been mentally preparing for for months and not change your plans at the last minute. I tried that with horrible results. Something about the race being 90% mental or something. Of course I am only two days out from my marathon so I could be rambling incoherently and should probably be ignored for the next two days. :laugh:

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By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-09-29 2:42 PM

No worries Raille, I know you have my best interests in mind and your advice is sound. I'm still undecided though. I'll see how the next week to 10 days goes and figure something out :happy:

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:45 AM

Frank -

That really has to be a great boost to your confidence - in your training and in your abilities. Keep that hamstring under control. Then enjoy the taper and you're going to nail Chicago. Ride the sub-3 train all the way to the finish line.

- Steve

By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-09-29 7:53 AM

Thanks Steve. Now it's just a matter of not overdoing between now and then which isn't the easiest thing to do for me :grin:

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-09-29 8:57 AM

It isn't the easiest thing for me, either. I'm going to end up with just 26 miles this week. Not even a marathon. :grin:

Today is a complete day off. I don't know what to do with myself. Maybe I'll go shopping. :laugh:

- Steve

PS The other thing you have to watch during taper is your diet. You don't want to overeat during this period. Speaking of which, I don't think you'll have PT's recent problems. : pbbt:

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 9:08 AM

I certainly hope not! And I wouldn't call them problems, Steve. More like known issues. But then, don't we all have issues? I at least know what mine are. : pbbt:

By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-09-29 1:15 PM

More like known issues. But then, don't we all have issues?

If you recall the week before my BQ race in May I got sick and had a$$ues. A little different than your issues but discomforting nonetheless. :grin:

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 1:21 PM

I'm going down to Portland with a friend and his wife from our running group. He's running Portland as well and it's his first. He had a mild cold or allergy problems this week. :sad:

He thinks he'll be fine and I'm crossing my fingers for him, but stayed far, far away on Wednesday. Actually, there has been a cold going around my office too. In this case, being "cautiously optimistic" has it's rewards since I'm not stressed about things and therefore, unlikely to get sick. I seldom do anyway. Issues. There can be so many! :laugh:

By debbiemc [us]

Date 2006-09-28 6:02 PM

Did everyone notice what a noteworthy week this was?? I am in the T3 Top 10 :laugh:

Of course, that means some low miles for others :shocker!:

, but it's fun anyway.

RR: I think about everything while I'm running -- running and non-running related. I may concentrate on my form if I'm having a bad run, or think about how good I feel if I'm having a good day. I may think about things going on in my life, or how many beautiful things I see when I run. Last week I noticed how often I see things I've never seen before on the same route every week (last week it was a horse playing "fetch" :grin:

).

NRR: I'm not very lucky in this way, but some of it's my fault (I'm usually too cheap to buy raffle tickets, etc). Probably the most I've won was a $50 door prize at a race (the awards were so slow & late, most people left).

Weekly recap: There's nothing special going on this week. It's just been a nice week -- good weather/good runs.

By RBrauerei [us]

Date 2006-09-28 6:06 PM

T3 Top 10 is nothing to sneeze at... : pbbt:

Well done! I remember myself looking with some satisfaction when my name was above that line... :wink:

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By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-09-28 9:27 PM

Yay Deb, way to hit the top ten!

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By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:27 AM

You'll probably get to be Top 10 again this week. I'm having a massive taper week. :grin:

- Steve

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-28 8:21 PM Edited 2006-09-28 8:25 PM

I've not really won anything that I can think of. Now I would be deeply suspicious of any phone calls telling me I'd won anything anyway, so I doubt it's ever going to happen. :laugh:

I do buy a lottery ticket every once in a while. I can be wistful.

RR question: My easy runs in the morning tend to be all about me. : pbbt:

I think about the day ahead or something that's been bugging or troubling me or what I need to put on my to-do list (I don't actually have a physical list, it's just in my head) and I enjoy the world around me. Any quality workout tends to be only focused on running. Form checks, positive self-talk, and just digging deep all require some serious concentration for me. I really like the purely running focused runs actually and they make me feel in-tune with my body.

Last longish run last weekend of 16 miles with 12 at a pace. I'm not sure what pace I was aiming for actually and I let myself get carried away :blush:

. I ended up doing the entire 16 under 8:00 minute miles and it was a rolling course with serious hills at the end. I was feeling beyond great! Dang. That running is some good drug. :grin:

It was a very good lesson on what not to do during a marathon. : pbbt:

I did stupidly take a fall last night on a run. I have nicely bruised, scraped and swollen knees right now. I even took a picture, but the bruises haven't developed properly yet to show up well. I'm sure it'll all settle down by Sunday. Thank you each and every one of you for all your support and advice over the past year(s). I will definitely be thinking of you all on Sunday. :hug:

By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-09-28 9:29 PM

"I will definitely be thinking of you all on Sunday".
And WE will be thinking about you :hug:

! Knock 'em out Andria (and try not to fall down and go boom any more before the race m'kay? : pbbt:

). Between now and then just run loose and relaxed, no pre-race racing allowed :happy:

. You're gonna do great :cool:

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By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:24 AM

Good luck on Sunday! We eagerly await your report.

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:25 AM

I did stupidly take a fall last night on a run.

I'm always pretty nervous the last few workouts before a big race. But, ya gotta git em done. You might want to up the concentration level just a tad if you run today or tomorrow. :grin:

And, then, on Sunday . . . kick that Portland course up one side and down the other. Stay relaxed at the start, deep breaths, one foot in front of the other when the gun goes off. You're going to do great! You've put in the work, now enjoy the rewards that come your way.

- Steve

By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-09-29 7:54 AM

You're gonna kick a$$ on Sunday!

By BobSanone [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:01 AM

OK my beer drinking friends.
I'm thinking that I am going on the wagon and wonder if there really is a NA Beer out there that is at least a marginal replacement for the real stuff. Any suggestions?

BobS

It's not "Will I run today? It's "How far will I run today?"

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:20 AM

The first time I was really serious about qualifying for Ironman Hawaii, I went a couple of months on NA beer. The best I found was a German brand. I'm pretty sure it was St. Pauli Girl. Maybe it was just the label that I liked. :grin:

This was a bunch of years ago and there wasn't quite a selection that I could find.

- Steve

By BobSanone [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:27 AM

Thanks Steve I'll see if I can find some to try.

BobS

It's not "Will I run today? It's "How far will I run today?"

By BobSanone [us]

Date 2006-10-01 4:28 PM

It's better than any of the domestic crap I've had :happy:

but not quite as good as the Buckler suggested by Crabby :grin:

Two totally different taste so I can switch up when I'm bored :wink:

Thanks
BobS

It's not "Will I run today? It's "How far will I run today?"

By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:26 AM

I think Buckler wasn't that bad. Also there was one called Moussey or something like that.

The thing about beer for is that much of the sensory experience is the aroma (bouquet?) If a near beer still smells like a real beer, it's not so bad.

By BobSanone [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:28 AM

Thanks Crabby I'll give it a try as well :grin:

BobS

It's not "Will I run today? It's "How far will I run today?"

By BobSanone [us]

Date 2006-10-01 4:32 PM

Buckler is the best I've tried so far! :grin:

I've yet to find the one recomended by Rick hopefully it will have a slightly different yet acceptable taste.
Then I'll have (3) acceptable NA's to mix so I won't get bored with a taste.

Thanks
BobS

It's not "Will I run today? It's "How far will I run today?"

By RBrauerei [us]

Date 2006-09-29 1:00 PM

Clausthaler is a good German NA beer. I first had this at the Frankfurt auto show and thought... HUH? :wtf:

but it tasted pretty good. Great head and aroma too. It's available in US now too...

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By BobSanone [us]

Date 2006-09-29 1:35 PM

Thanks Rick, I'll give it a try next week.

BobS

It's not "Will I run today? It's "How far will I run today?"

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:38 AM

RR: I'm probably a jumble of random thoughts when I run. For the most part, I like to be a bit brain dead while I'm running. I usually pay attention to heart rate and pace, but I've been doing that long enough that I can just glance at the numbers and figure out what I'm doing. No thinking involved. Sometimes I'll get off on this wierd mental tangent and wonder how the heck I got there. Then I like to follow my thoughts backwards to see what started it. That's fun for me. I don't generally think about form, unless I feel a little twinge and then I'll analyze.

NRR: I consider myself, with apologies to Lou Gehrig, the luckiest guy in the world. Not with winning prizes or such, I can only recall winning the random door prize. But, with life in general. Things just seem to break my way. And that's pretty strange since I'm a paranoid, pessimist who views the beer glass as half-empty and I'm looking over my shoulder to see who drank the top part.

As for this week, no many miles coming from me. I'm trying the massive taper thing.

- Steve

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:59 AM

Happy B-day this weekend too. Anything special in the plans? 10/1 - I remember you writing...right?

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-09-29 7:05 AM

Thanks.

You are correct.

No real plans for the day. Nothing nearly as exciting as what you have planned. :grin:

- Steve

By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-09-29 7:04 AM

Happy Birthday!

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-09-29 7:06 AM

Not until Sunday, but, thanks.

- Steve

By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-09-29 7:55 AM

Happy BDay on Sunday! Have a few on me! (like I have to suggest it : pbbt:

)

Cheers,

Frank

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-09-29 8:58 AM

Thanks. I'll be monitoring consumption, so there will be mutiple people "attached" to each one.

- Steve

By BobSanone [us]

Date 2006-10-01 4:35 PM

HAPPY B'DAY!!!

BobS

It's not "Will I run today? It's "How far will I run today?"

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-10-02 6:39 AM

Thanks, Bob. It was a good day. :grin:

- Steve

By BobSanone [us]

Date 2006-09-29 11:23 AM

Last week I was a little off my target of 40 but did run my first race in a very long time and I planned to simply do it as an upbeat run not to race. It was the Home Run 12k and I finished 3rd of 15 in AD. I was 36 of 156 overall. Finish time was 58:23 or 7:50 avg pace. Some of you may remember that I hurt my back in March outrunning a friendly advisary in my AD. He was there Saturday but I told him up front that I was going out easy. When I hit about mile 4.5 I could see him about 1/2 mile ahead so I decided to try and reel him in. When we were almost to mile 6 I had narrowed the gap to 1/4 and could see him looking back as we turned corners so I wasn't sneaking up on him. Anyway I thought that I might be able to catch him but that it would be very close to the finish. I knew I didn't have much left but figured he didn't either. Then I thought about our last race and decided catching him wasn't worth risking another injury. I just backed off, even walked through the water stop. There will be plenty of races between the two of us in the last quarter of 2006 when I'm physically ready to race. :happy:

Look for only about 20 miles this week. It was a planned cut back week. I will be taking an easy week about every 4th week for a while. I'll contribute 3 weeks of 40-45 after this week if all goes as planned.

NRR Topic
Heck I'm one of the luckest guys I know! Dee married me on 4/13/85 and has stuck with me. :hug:

I've won a 10 day all expenses trip to Maui (1987) a 7 day all expenses trip to Paris in 1997 a 7 day all expenses trip to Venice and Rome in 2003.

It's not "Will I run today? It's "How far will I run today?"

By Smithers78 [us]

Date 2006-09-29 11:49 AM

Bob, a big congrats on the race and a piece of hardware! :grin:

Sounds like your doing more than just getting back in the swing of things. Nice work. Glad to hear that the running is still going well. I think I need to start working on cut back weeks as well.

-Chris

By BobSanone [us]

Date 2006-10-01 4:46 PM Edited 2006-10-01 4:52 PM

Thanks Chris
I'm just so far from where I was a year ago that I wonder if I'll ever be that runner again.
Age catches up to most of us, I'm 54 now and almost as old as our Captain :wink:

I think that Ron and I are a couple of old "Warhorses" with a little fight left in us :wink:

There is an interesting article in Running Times that suggest doing "Speed Work" just after "Base Building" and before Marathon Specific Training. I may give it a try since I now have (6) 40+/- mile weeks of easy running.

BobS

It's not "Will I run today? It's "How far will I run today?"

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 3:38 PM

Congrats to GoNadsGo who nailed his half marathon goal this past weekend!

BobSanone also returned to racing this past weekend! He placed 3rd in his age group and is coming back stronger (and smarter) than ever!

Sam bagged another 14er this past weekend! How many is that this year now?

Foggy got to play on a track last week and get a little more speed work in while having a great time.

This weekend:

PuddleThumper and Speedy Smurf get to FE in Portland and, oh yeah, run a marathon!

runferfun is running his 4th marathon of the year in the Twin Cities Marathon. Have a great race Jeff!

Happy B-day Barkeep!

Goal Race:

bar - AR Traveller 100 Miler (10/7-8); Goofy Challenge (1/07)
Capt - CIM (12/3)
crabby - "none" Mohawk Hudson River Marathon (10/6)
CSY - Baltimore Marathon for fun (10/14)
david - Detroit Half (10/29); Boston (4/07)
deb - Rocket City (12/9)
foggy - Either RVM (10/9) or Big Sur Half (10/29); Quad Dipsea (11/25)
GNG - Chicago (10/22); Boston 4/07)
gs - Las Vegas (12/10)
Jeff - Ottawa Fall Colours Half (10/8); Boston (4/07)
jen - building back base; Columbus Half Marathon (10/15); Miami Half (1/28)
mhr - Detroit Marathon (10/29)
PT - Seattle Half (11/26)
rtodd - Richmond Marathon (11/11)
sam - Carlsbad Half (1/21)
Skid - hamstring recovery
Smithers - Chicago (10/22)
Speedy - Autumn Leaves Run 50k - 1st ultra (11/4)

All Races (including short and looong running events & tri's): 124 + 4 = 128 total

Amy - 1
bar - 9
BobS - 4
Capt - 1
crabby - 5
david - 5
deb - 9
foggy - 12
GNG - 4
gs - 4
Jeff - 14
jmm - 5
MHR - 4
PT - 3
Rbrau - 5
rff - 6
RTO - 15
Skid - 2
Smithers - 1
Speedy - 19

Marathons: 18 +1 = 19 total

Amy - Country Music
Bar - Disney 2:46 (PR)*
david - Boston 3:17 (BQ); Bayshore 3:28
deb - Museum of Aviation 4:55
foggy - Big Sur 4:20
GNG - Mississauga 3:10 (PR/BQ)
jmm - Frederick 3:58 (PR)
MHR - Disney 3:41; Pike Peak
Rbrau - Shamrock 4:00 (PR)
rff - RnR Arizona 3:14 (PR/BQ); Boston 3:10 (PR/BQ); Grandma's 3:11
RTO - Last Chance for Boston; New Jersey 4:56 (PR); Erie 4:34 (PR)
Skid - New Jersey 3:59
Speedy - Boston fun run

Hardware: 37+ 3 = 40 + 1 = 41 total

bar - 4th AG Half*; 2nd AG/19 OA Mar*; 2nd OA 5k; 1st AG 15k
BobS - 2nd AG 5k; 1st AG 5k, 2nd AG 5k; 3rd AG 12k
Capt - 3rd AG 5k
Crabby - 1st AG 4mi; 2nd OA 5miler
david - 3rd AG/11th OA 10k; 2nd AG 5k
deb - 1st AG 12k; 1st AG female master 12k; 1st AG female master 5k; 1st OA 5k, 1st AG 5k; 2nd AG 5K; 3rd AG 5K
gs - 3rd AG 13 miler
PT - 2nd AG/5th OA female 4 mi; 1st AG 5k
rff - 3rd OA 5k
RTO - 3rd AG 5K
Speedy - 2nd AG/6th OA 3 Mi; 1st OA 5K; 1st AG/3rd OA 5K; 3rd AG 5k; 1st AG/3rd OA 5k; 1st AG/ 1st OA 5k; 1st AG/9th OA 10k; 2nd AG/8th OA 5k; 1st AG/ 4th OA 3k; 3rd AG/15 OA 5k; 1st AG/ 7th OA 10k; 3rd AG/10th OA 3k; 1st AG/ 3rd OA 5k; 2nd AG 3k; 1st AG 3k; 1st AG 5k

PR's: 29 + 1 = 30

bar - MAR; 50k, 50 Mi, 70.5 Mi
deb - 12K: 12K
foggy - 41 Mi Trail Ultra
GNG - MAR; Half
jmm - 15 Miler; 1/2 MAR; MAR
PT - 1/2 MAR; 5k
Rbrau - 1/2 MAR; MAR; 10K
rff - MAR; MAR; 10K; Half Mar; 5k
RTO - MAR; 10k; 1/2 MAR; 5 Mi; MAR
Skid - 1/2 MAR
Smithers - 10k
Speedy - 3k; 3k

Special note:

bar - Disney's Double/Goofy Challenge*; 50K Ultra; 50 Mile Ultra; 70.5 Mile Ultra
Capt - DVT comeback!
crabby - 2005 List of 986 men with sub-2:45 marathon
deb - Women's Cycling Tour of the Outer Banks
foggy - 41 Miler Trail Ultra; Bay to Breakers as a pirate; Dipsea; Double Dipsea (DNF - ankle)
JeffR - Duathlon; sprint tri; oly tri
jmm - rebuilding base
MHR - Disney's Double/Goofy Challenge
PT - Mount Si Relay
Sam - Multiple 14er's
Skid - College graduation
Speedy - Hood to Coast Relay

2005 T3 Ponies:

Overall: 141 races with 26 marathons; 36 PRs; 49 hardware!
Most races: SpeedySmurf (18)
Most PRs: SpeedySmurf (11)
Most hardware: SpeedySmurf (10)
Most Marathons: MHR and JeffRuns tie at 3 each!
Fastest Marathon: hermit_crab with Mohawk Hudson 2:44:46 5th/OA! And 2005 List of 986 men with sub-2:45 marathon

By runferfun [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:25 PM

Thanks for the well wishes for the weekend.

Puddle and Speedy, Good luck and have fun in Oregon!

By runferfun [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:27 PM

Oh just noticed, I mayhave mistyped. My grandmas time this year was 3:22 not the 3:11 on the statsheet.

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 7:05 PM

Got it!

By runferfun [us]

Date 2006-09-29 6:40 PM

Hi team.

When running I think about a variety of things, or nothing at all. When I have my brain turned "on" I can think about just about anything. Things from cars to kids, memories to the future, and work to vacation. But often, my brain turns back to thinking about running. Running races, or just running in general. Sometimes I even think about my pace, form, etc. But mostly that stuff is kind of on cruise control anyway.

nrr- well I havn't really had any luck winning things. It's not due to lack of trying, raffle tickets, pull tabs (rarely) , casinos, and lottery. I just have never won anything big worth remembering. :cry:

It's all good though I'm lucky in other ways.

Maybe my last post before my race Sunday. Weather is actually looking pretty good! :happy:

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-09-29 7:06 PM

A friend that I run with is running your marathon as well. You can bet I'll be thinking about your race too. Good luck and have fun!

By runferfun [us]

Date 2006-09-30 1:44 PM

Thanks PT

By PuddleThumper [us]

Date 2006-10-02 1:22 PM

Well I peeked Jeff. :grin:

Of course, I don't know what you were aiming for, but I'm still :grin:

over your time. How'd it go?

By foggydoggy [us]

Date 2006-09-30 12:56 AM

Hey T3's

First of all, best of luck to Andria, Raille (sp?) and Jeff-- Have great races.

and congrats to Frank and Bob S on speedy race and Hardware.

I did my first 20+ since April last Saturday and it turned into a death shuffle. I gave blood on Thursday and it was very hot by San Francisco Standards. The result was that I was slow from the start and totally bonked very early. I was having hydration troubles- When I tried to pick up the pace I was sweating much faster than I could get water down and I spent most of the run feeling cruddy-- but I got it done and I wasn't sore at all at least.

This week I am running a big road 12K on Sunday (Bridge to Bridge). No particular expectations other than just to run evenly. I will probably be somewhere in the 8:30 range.

RR question: My thoughts vary from run to run, but I do do occassional form and pace checks. I've only attained a zen like state once in recent memory and it led to a very fast trail half marathon experience, but I rarely get into that kind of zone.

NRR- Lucky- sometimes. I won $1000 in Reno once (on one of those courtesy spin things. So I gave the thousand to my wife and she gave me the key chain she won on her spin, and then I proceeded to go lose the 50 bucks or so I had planned to spend) and the last two trips to a casino have been successful (but on a small scale- couple hundred dollars). And like Bob S I got extremely lucky and got the right person to marry me-- my 20th is this year.

Have a great week everybody! ! ! Tear up those marathons.

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By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-09-30 1:40 PM

Race report: Dunellen 5k

I have a ritual of doing a 5k the week before a marathon. It's one I'm afraid to break. So there were a zillion 5ks in the area this weekend, and I picked the one with the reputation for having a fast course and a fast field. Results from recent years show winning times in the 15:30s and some years, the top seven all broke 17 minutes. I was hoping that some of the speedsters would pull me along to a sixteen-thirty-something, which would give me a lot of confidence next week.

So the fast course was there (pancake flat.) The fast field was there. The fast conditions were there (60 degrees or so, no wind.) What wasn't fast? Oh, that's right. Me.

Instead of getting the sixteen-thirty-something I hoped for (at the last two marathons, I ran 16:35 and 16:54 the week before,) I ran a 17:14. Splits of 5:24, 5:34, and 6:15 for the last 1.1 miles. :sad:

I'm not sure what happened. I thought I was in better shape, but my confidence is a little shaky for next week now.

Anyway, this got me 6th overall and the AG win, which is nice, but it was the fast time I really wanted.

By runferfun [us]

Date 2006-09-30 1:46 PM

Thats still smokin fast to me! Good race.

I don't think that I would let that discourage me. As you know, a marathon is a differant animal than a 5k. I am sure you'll di great next week.

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-09-30 1:56 PM

Congrats on the race, Crabby.

I wouldn't worry too much about not getting the result you wanted. It means you'll have a better marathon than you did the last two times because you didn't use it all up in a 5k. :laugh:

Seriously, your training has been different going into the marathon this time, right? And I'd bet for sure that your mental state is a bit different, not committing to it until, really, the last minute. You're going to do fine. You've put in lots of hard miles these last few weeks and you're a bit more relaxed about it.

- Steve

By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-09-30 2:21 PM

I understand the shaken confidence thing, been there, suffered that. But as I know you know, one race isn't a trend, either.

Besides, it's nothing that a cold Gold Monkey won't cure, right Crabster : pbbt:

?

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By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-09-30 3:05 PM

That converts to about a 2:48 time Brian. Not too shabby for somebody who just "decided" to run a 'thon a few weeks ago.

Besides, you'll probably do better than that time anyway. :happy:

By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-09-30 4:25 PM

Thanks guys. I feel more confident already.

And yes, two Golden Monkeys were involved.... : pbbt:

By foggydoggy [us]

Date 2006-10-01 12:48 AM

Hmmm.

So its kind a like a monkey in the hand is better than one on the back? ? ??

and yeah, what Capt. Ron said about one race not being a trend.

I know my times are much much slower but My current marathon PR (last year)was set two weeks after one of the slowest half marathons I've run in ages. 4 years ago I ran a different (harder) half two weeks before a marathon and ran it 10 minutes faster- and then ran the marathon 12 minutes slower--

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By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-10-01 12:55 PM

Has anyone been able to get results on Andria and Raille. Their live results link doesn't seem to be working for me. :wtf:

By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-10-01 2:33 PM

The phone update thing didn't work for me this morning :mutmad:

. Don't want to spoil their chance to tell their own stories by giving the results here, 'Nads, but I was able to get their results by putting in the bib numbers :wink:

:
Andria: 6011
Raille: 8484

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By RBrauerei [us]

Date 2006-10-01 4:50 PM

Puddles!

Can't wait for her story...

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By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-10-02 6:49 AM

Congrats to Puddle Thumper and Speedy Smurf.

And, congrats to Jeff for his run at Twin Cities.

- Steve

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Date 2006-10-02 10:57 AM

By SkidmoreRunner [us]

Date 2006-10-01 6:52 PM

(Posted on the main forum, but here as well for the T3's)

Greetings everyone,

I know I've been absent the last few months, and especially so the last three weeks. My father died in the middle of September from a cardiac arrest associated with complications of his PKD (polycystic kidney disease). My dad has had PKD for as long as I've been alive, and when I was young he had to go on dialysis. Fortunately he got a kidney transplant, but after five years of hit he had an infectious disease and he lost the transplant, going on dialysis again when I was a freshman in high school. Life for him had its ups and downs, mostly downs, but the last six months had been especially great since he got a handicapped electronic van (he was in a wheelchair) to attend both my sisters' and my graduation. He went into the hospital because of what appeared to be appendix pain -- I remember speaking with him on Monday, joking around with him, and then getting a call Wednesday morning that I had to fly back home.

When I got back that Wednesday, he was unconscious and on four life-support machines. He had a DNR (which my mom subsequently disobeyed that morning because she wanted my sister and I to be able to say goodbye to him). He died later that night, but the whole family was able to be there and stay with him, and I got to say goodbye.

So the forum, let alone my running, was the last thing on my mind. It was a really rough week, but my girlfriend flew out to be with me, and all of my friends/family have been so supportive. It has simply been overwhelming, and I'm still getting sympathy cards in the mail.

When I make my full comeback to running, my next marathon will be to raise funds for PKD research. My father was able to see me graduate and, without the extra years his kidney transplant made possible, that never would have happened. I am so grateful for all of that, and I am grateful for all the years I've had with him. Though its horrible to lose a loved one, I really feel lucky and privileged to have the time that I did with my dad.

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As for my running.

Physical therapy has been on and off, but the basic diagnosis was lots of scar tissue and blood built up from tearing my hamstring from my glut. It had tightened so much, and not running over the summer helped it heal, but only made it tighter. I've been doing hamstring presses, leg presses, and running and LOTS of stretching day in day out.

And I am finally at the point where I can run 4 miles/day with minimal dull pain.
Next week I'm going to try a 6-7 miler, and take it slowly from there, hoping to regain a base by next spring, then train for the PKD 'thon.
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Grad school is going very well, despite being thrown off mid-September. My professors and friends have been a great help getting me back on track, and I love what I'm studying.

This post has been relatively quick, but that's basically why I essentially disappeared from the forum. I hope to be back again on a daily basis, but I still have a limited amount of time.

Thanks everyone,
Chris ("Skids")

Krishna admonishes Arjuna into battle: "Fare forward."

By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-10-01 7:11 PM

Geez, Chris, sorry to hear about all the things that have been happening.

I am not sure what else to say but that you always know where to find people who will listen (that would be us, T3.)

By RBrauerei [us]

Date 2006-10-01 7:19 PM

Chris, our thoughts are with you... We look forward to seeing you even if you have limited time. Trust me, sometimes just hanging around here can help one over rough spots. Hang in there...

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By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-10-01 7:51 PM

So sorry to hear this, Chris :sad:

. I understand; losing my father was one of the most difficult times in my life. Please know that many folks here care, and will be thinking about you. My condolences to you and your family in your time of loss.

Ron

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By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-10-01 8:01 PM

Hey Chris, so sorry about your father. Having been through it myself, I know how difficult it can be.

Stay close to your Mom and family. They'll need your support now more than ever.

And we're here to support you if you need it. :happy:

Frank

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-10-02 6:28 AM

Chris -

I'm really sorry to hear about your father. Prayers and good thoughts for you, your sister, and your mother.

I hope the running continues to improve and you're able to find time for it. As a brief respite, if nothing else.

Keep popping in when you get the chance.

- Steve

By BobSanone [us]

Date 2006-10-02 8:52 AM

I'm so sorry to hear about your dad Chris.
You are in my thoughts and prayers as well as your family.

BobS

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By Smithers78 [us]

Date 2006-10-02 10:43 AM

Chris, I'm very sorry to hear about the loss of your father. I can't imagine what you and your family are experiencing; I can only hope that you do find peace in the tragedy and really focus on the positives that your father brought into your life. I'm very glad to hear that you are already thinking of how you can help others' affected by PKD and trying to make positive outcomes of the terrible loss. My prayers and thoughts are certainly with you.

Certainly keep us updated on how things are with you and keep at that running. I find its often the only thing that brings solace to my crazy existence.

Once you've had a chance to get your arms around raising money for PKD, definitely keep us in the loop. Maybe us T-3's can join in to help. I've never raised money while running but this sounds like a cause to support.

-Chris (the other one)

By foggydoggy [us]

Date 2006-10-02 10:21 PM

Chris,

so sorry for your loss! ! !

Bob M

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By debbiemc [us]

Date 2006-10-03 4:59 PM

Chris, so sorry to hear about your dad.

By jmmrun2finish [us]

Date 2006-10-02 8:03 AM

Hey TMates!

Sorry, I have been really busy recently. I hope all is well with everyone!

RR: I think about everything when I run and sometimes I think about nothing. Those are the best runs! I seem to find solutions to problems when I am running so that is a plus.

NRR: They say if there was no such thing as bad luck, I would have no luck at all. This statement is so true for me. People cannot believe my stories and always want me to tell them. I swear that is my party trick. Let's hear Jen's crazy stories! :laugh:

Have a great week everyone!

I run for miles and miles and end up getting nowhere

By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-10-03 12:10 PM

Just keep runnin', Jen, you're doing great. Ease back into it, and you will be soaring again soon :happy:

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By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-10-03 5:59 AM

Good job, T-3's.

It looks like we have 100% posting to the mileage game this week (GearShift posted over on RT) after five weeks of less than perfect. :happy:

Of course the total miles might only be good for 10th. :sad:

But, that's ok, the miles are secondary. Plus we have lots of activity on our team thread.

T-3's Rock!

Everybody recover well, taper well, train well. And, if you've got any twinges, take as much time as you need to get them under control.

- Steve

By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-10-03 7:24 AM

I always thought the team thread was pretty much the highlight of the mileage game anyway.

Hey, last week I found this pub in Hoboken where they had both Arrogant Bastard and Golden Monkey on tap. After having one of each, I dubbed this the Arrogant Monkey/Golden Bastard combination.

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-10-03 7:45 AM

Just don't go calling your nephew "Golden Bastard." :laugh:

I don't think the parents would like that.

By the way, I got a Victory ball cap as a birthday present the other day. It's a good pre- and post-race hat. And my friend brought over a growler filled with Victory Festbier. That went down well with dinner.

- Steve

By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-10-03 7:57 AM

What's a growler?

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-10-03 11:26 AM

It's a 68oz refillable (and re-sealable, if that's a word) bottle. You can get it filled with anything they have on tap, fairly inexpensively. When it's full, the beer inside will be fine for about a week. Once you start consuming it, the rest will generally be ok for another day or so, depending on what's in there. I've had the stout last a few days, but the lager doesn't last as long.

- Steve

By Smithers78 [us]

Date 2006-10-03 11:36 AM

I love the fact that you guys are as "involved" with beer as I am. I always thought I was kind of a nut that I loved beer and running both equally and if I really thought I could do both at the same time and be a true Hasher, I would.....

By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-10-03 11:44 AM

Well, Rod Dixon was legendary for his beer consumption, and while guzzling all that beer, he won an Olympic bronze in the 1500 and the NYC Marathon.

By Smithers78 [us]

Date 2006-10-03 12:44 PM

Ok, so what I'm hearing you say is that since I can buy Fat Tire in Chicago, the night before the race I should go out and drink 10 of those bad boys?

By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-10-03 7:44 PM

Yes, and you are guaranteed to run a 2:08 just like Rod Dixon!

Ah, if only it were so easy....

By Smithers78 [us]

Date 2006-10-03 9:39 PM

don't get my hopes up. I'm thinking I can crack a 2:07..........:roll:

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-10-03 11:51 AM

I'm trying to decide if I should be intelligent and skip Trivia Night tonight at Victory since I have a big race on Saturday (and Sunday). It's probably not in my best interest to sit in a smoke filled bar all night, even if I only have a few. Plus I have to get up early tomorrow to take DW's car in for service. Decisions . . . decisions . . .

- Steve

By Smithers78 [us]

Date 2006-10-03 12:46 PM

I'll tell you the one thing that I do think makes a difference is the smoke. I've drank the night before and then ran a hard 10 miles the next day, but if I'm in a bar, forget about it. The smoke absolutely kills me and I swear it makes me drag the next day.

My suggestion, Steve, is to skip trivia night, turn on Deal or No deal or some other mindless drivel and pop your feet up in the recliner and have a few sudsies. You need to skip the smoke-you have a big and taxing weekend ahead.

By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-10-03 11:40 AM

Very interesting. I can't say I've ever seen one, though a web search pulled up a lot. This is the origin of the name:

Beer in the late 1800s was a safer, more sterile beverage than water or milk. For households in towns like Milwaukee, Cincinnati, and the German-settled towns in Pennsylvania, the beverage of choice was beer, and the fact that children consumed beer in the home was not considered odd.

The term "growler" originated as a result of children handling beer. The father or grandfather of the household would usually send the kid down to fetch a fresh pail of beer. If the child was not careful and splashed the beer out of the bucket, the old man was said to "growl."

By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-10-03 12:06 PM

"The term "growler" originated as a result of children handling beer. The father or grandfather of the household would usually send the kid down to fetch a fresh pail of beer. If the child was not careful and splashed the beer out of the bucket, the old man was said to "growl."

Splash my beer? That would make me growl, too! :laugh:

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By Smithers78 [us]

Date 2006-10-03 12:47 PM

I thought growler was a mug you held beer in? I'm probably not reading enough of the posts above am I? :wtf:

By hermit_crab [us]

Date 2006-10-03 6:34 PM

It is, pretty much. The pictures of the original growlers I found were more like buckets.

By Smithers78 [us]

Date 2006-10-03 9:42 PM

Nah, I have a few growlers still left from my first trip out to oregon a few years ago. My buddies took me on a full trip of the coast (they are windsurfers and surfers and I used to be a climber) so they took me out for 10 days on the Oregon coast to explore. The first thing I found out is that there are random breweries scattered along the coast and they sell growlers to get you through your trip. I still have a few from the aurora area that are pretty much just giant jugs that you can fill full of beer. Probably equivalent of 2 1/2 40oz.

By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-10-03 7:33 AM

Re: twinges, I think I overdid it in the past week or so. Went to see my PT last night who massaged the crap out of the back of my right knee/calf. It feels a lot better today. Based on her advice, I skipped today's run. Will try again tomorrow....

So close to an inury free training session and yet so far :sad:

By Barkeep [us]

Date 2006-10-03 7:46 AM

Don't push it, Frank. Aren't you pretty close to taper-time for Chicago?

- Steve

By GoNadsGo [ca]

Date 2006-10-03 7:57 AM

Ya, I officially started tapering yesterday but I still have a few quality workouts scheduled in the next 10 days. I ran 18 miles on Saturday with 15 @ MP as my last hard long run. I felt great throughout the run but have this calf issue as a result. I think it'll be fine as long as I don't do anything stupid :roll:

But that's never a sure thing with me. : pbbt:

By Smithers78 [us]

Date 2006-10-03 10:07 AM

Frank, take it easy on that leg. This is exactly what happened to me 2 weeks ago. I started having some twinges in my calf. I stretched and iced, but I kept running and kept running hard....probably harder than I usually do. As the week went on, that cramping moved down to my achilles and has led to the problems I'm having now. Good news is that you're training is done. Take it easy on that leg. You are good to go my friend. As I've learned, its a lot better to suck it up and take a week off so you can still run the race and run it well. You're golden on where you want to be, so don't push it too hard these last few weeks.

-Chris

By Samantha [us]

Date 2006-10-03 11:52 AM

Whoa, I've got to start on this thread earlier in the week! :shocker!:

It gets a little hard to catch up this late in the game.

When I run, I think about work/life stuff. I've written editorials and short stories in my head. Unfortunately, I can't ever remember the stories when I'm done. Too bad, because sometimes they are pretty good!

Lucky? Notsomuch.

I move tomorrow. Here's thinking next week will see some higher mileage as I settle into a new routine.
:happy:

Whathehellever. :cool:

By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-10-03 12:09 PM

"Whoa, I've got to start on this thread earlier in the week!
It gets a little hard to catch up this late in the game."

Yup, we be one social team, fo sho :happy:

!

Sorry about the moving part, yipes, that's a lot of work :meh:

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By SuperRun [us]

Date 2006-10-03 5:08 PM

On my way to see a sneak preview of the new movie, "The Departed", with Leonardo DiCaprio, Matt Damon, Jack Nicholson, Mark Wahlberg, Martin Sheen, Alec Baldwin.

My review will be coming soon, to a forum near you : pbbt:

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By Smithers78 [us]

Date 2006-10-03 9:43 PM

oh, definitely let us know how it is. That and "all the kings men" are the first two movies I've actually wanted to see in a long time.

By BobSanone [us]

Date 2006-10-04 8:00 AM

OK Cap'n Ron when are you going to let us know about the FORCED CUTBACK?

BobS

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